3781 The other tangos
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:24:32 +0000
From: Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: The other tangos
Linda says: " I'm amused at all the hand-wringing for a book
that's not even out yet, but also baffled and a
bit saddened by all of the agonizing over who
contributed what to tango and how much. In the
end, does it really matter? I mean, Lucia's
completely right about the Italian/Spanish (and
German) influence on tango--that much is common
knowledge to most dancers. And of course we have
to consider the influence of black African
culture as well. But what about the Yiddish
influence? What about Turkey? What about Japan?"
I guess anyone has the right to b e amused, baffled or saddened.
I think that tango has many aspects and its history is one of them. History
of tango interests me, it amuses me at times, it baffles me on occasion and
saddens me rarely. (When I learned that thousands of beautiful tangos were
lost for ever as they were discarded or burnt due to lack of space to store
them).
Most of tango musicians, singers, composers were Argentine, first generation
of Italian descent.
Spain contributed to one of its roots: the Spanish Tanguillo.
The other nationalities mentioned: Germans, Japanese, Jewish, Turkish had
composers and musicians that created tangos. To this select group of
nationalities I would add, Finland, Italy< France and the good USA. The
tangos created by people of those nationalities are different from the ones
written by Argentines. Many of them are very beautiful, and even more so
than many Argentine ones, but they reflect the culture that originated them.
When you listen to them you immediately know that they did not originate in
Argentina. Does that matter? probably not, it is a contribution in its own
way and form. I particularly like that Turkish Tango Istanbul, The Italian
Violino Tzigano, the Finish Onanistin, the French Le plus beaux tango du
monde, the American "Pearl fishermen" and many others. I play them in my
milongas.
Best regards, Sergio.
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:53:05 +1000
From: Geoff Walker <geoffww@BIGPOND.NET.AU>
Subject: Re: The Other Tangos
Linda's original post referred to Yiddish influence rather than Jewish influence. So whereas Sergio's commentary refers to tangos "created by people of those (non-Argentine) nationalities", I read Linda's comment on Yiddish influence as referring to the sound of the music being played rather than its composition (creation).
And I have to say that I have always sensed Yiddish influence when listening to the violin in home-grown Argentine tangos, particularly the "bumble-bee" violin so characteristic of many D'Arienzo pieces. I can even see Tevye fiddling on his roof!
Regards,
Geoff
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Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:24:32 +0000
From: Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: The other tangos
Linda says: " I'm amused at all the hand-wringing for a book
that's not even out yet, but also baffled and a
bit saddened by all of the agonizing over who
contributed what to tango and how much. In the
end, does it really matter? I mean, Lucia's
completely right about the Italian/Spanish (and
German) influence on tango--that much is common
knowledge to most dancers. And of course we have
to consider the influence of black African
culture as well. But what about the Yiddish
influence? What about Turkey? What about Japan?"
I guess anyone has the right to b e amused, baffled or saddened.
I think that tango has many aspects and its history is one of them. History
of tango interests me, it amuses me at times, it baffles me on occasion and
saddens me rarely. (When I learned that thousands of beautiful tangos were
lost for ever as they were discarded or burnt due to lack of space to store
them).
Most of tango musicians, singers, composers were Argentine, first generation
of Italian descent.
Spain contributed to one of its roots: the Spanish Tanguillo.
The other nationalities mentioned: Germans, Japanese, Jewish, Turkish had
composers and musicians that created tangos. To this select group of
nationalities I would add, Finland, Italy< France and the good USA. The
tangos created by people of those nationalities are different from the ones
written by Argentines. Many of them are very beautiful, and even more so
than many Argentine ones, but they reflect the culture that originated them.
When you listen to them you immediately know that they did not originate in
Argentina. Does that matter? probably not, it is a contribution in its own
way and form. I particularly like that Turkish Tango Istanbul, The Italian
Violino Tzigano, the Finish Onanistin, the French Le plus beaux tango du
monde, the American "Pearl fishermen" and many others. I play them in my
milongas.
Best regards, Sergio.
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:34:48 +0000
From: Sergio Vandekier <sergiovandekier990@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] The other tangos
To: Tango-L List <tango-l@mit.edu>
Dear Tangueros, friends,
We should remember that is the second time around the world for Argentine Tango. The first time was in the early 1920s. At that time it suffered some changes, first by the Argentine families that spent time in the European Capitals, they purged the tango of "indecent" moves and lyrics before they started to teach i to the European aristocracy.
Later is was changed to make it more the "other" ballroom dances. An embrace in "V" the torsos apart. Symmetrical steps, the woman does a mirror image of the man's footwork. Then the music acquired a marching beat, "more reliable",
so that the dance could be taught by counting steps in slow and quick sequences.
I personally like most of them, I even dance American tango style, sometimes; but my heart is with the Argentine Tango, the original one that gives me the strongest feeling and communication with my partner.
International Tango
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cDf65VaYSE
American Tango
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5yr9yrzlwQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d3Y3NNlwnk
Finnish Tango
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoDwCWl3mu0
Russian Tango - Old German Tango
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCiNke8X59o
Polish Tango - Old German Tango
Turkish Tango
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isA1QoWdPvg
japanese Tango
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo1VQQcRlp0
Russian Tango
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi5tvmeI7-A
Best regards, Sergio
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:32:00 +1000
From: "Anton Stanley" <anton@alidas.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] The other tangos
Bravo Sergio!
He wrote: "I personally like most of them, I even dance American tango
style, sometimes; but my heart is with the Argentine Tango, the original one
that gives me the strongest feeling and communication with my partner."
Anton
