5061 Should the dance style (not the social) be referred
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:35 +0100 (BST)
From: "John H. Walton" <jwalton@cix.co.uk>
Subject: [Tango-L] Should the dance style (not the social) be referred
to as "Milonga" or" Argentine Milonga"?
To: tango-l@mit.edu
Cc: chrisjj@chrisjj.com, jwalton@cix.co.uk
<memo.20070719163542.2952D@john.walton4@btinternet.com.btinternet.com>
My DanceWeb site supports many different dance style, and although It
initially had a UK audience, it is now slowly being expanded to cover
more countries (starting with USA/Canada).
The site already recognises styles of "Tango (Argentine)" and "Tango
(Ballroom)". Partly as a result of our BBC TV programme "Strictly Come
Dancing", the style of "Milonga" is now being taught as well, and I have
been requested to support this style.
My question is:
Can I refer to this style as simply "Milonga" or is it necessary to refer
to it as "Argentine Milonga" (or even "Tango (Milonga)"? This is
important both for organisations who enter dance classes, and dancers who
search or browse for classes. I note that Wikipedia just uses the word
Milonga for the music and the related dance form.
(Just to confuse matters, I already use the word Milonga to refer to any
Argentine Tango Social event, a practice very common in the UK).
Best Regards, John
https://www.danceweb.co.uk/tango
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:50:27 -0500
From: "Tango Society of Central Illinois" <tango.society@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Should the dance style (not the social) be
referred to as "Milonga" or" Argentine Milonga"?
To: jwalton@cix.co.uk
Cc: chrisjj@chrisjj.com, tango-l@mit.edu
<cff24c340707190850k1e06799ejc3e5f6390e5c5df0@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 16:35 +0100 (BST), John H. Walton <jwalton@cix.co.uk>
wrote:
>
>
> The site already recognises styles of "Tango (Argentine)" and "Tango
> (Ballroom)". Partly as a result of our BBC TV programme "Strictly Come
> Dancing", the style of "Milonga" is now being taught as well, and I have
> been requested to support this style.
>
> My question is:
>
> Can I refer to this style as simply "Milonga" or is it necessary to refer
> to it as "Argentine Milonga" (or even "Tango (Milonga)"? This is
> important both for organisations who enter dance classes, and dancers who
> search or browse for classes. I note that Wikipedia just uses the word
> Milonga for the music and the related dance form.
>
> (Just to confuse matters, I already use the word Milonga to refer to any
> Argentine Tango Social event, a practice very common in the UK).
>
>
If one is referring to the tango danced in the milongas of Buenos Aires, no
adjective 'Argentine' is required, because tango is inherently an Argentine
dance and absence of a modifier implies it is not ballroom, Finnish, or some
other dance that has adopted the name 'tango'. In fact, my own experience in
visiting websites is that, more likely than not, when the adjective
'Argentine' is used before 'tango', it usually refers to a form of tango
danced for exhibition in Buenos Aires, not the social style. However, it is
also only fair to state that exhibition tango is the predominant form of
tango danced socially at milongas in the US.
The same applies for 'milonga'. Just call it 'Milonga', just as tango should
be referred to as 'Tango'. Save the modifiers for the non-Argentine
derivative dances.
Don't use 'Tango (Milonga)', because this has a specific meaning, applied to
early tangos that have some musical characteristics of milonga. I defer to
my colleagues who are musicians knowledgeable in this area to describe what
characterizes 'Tango Milonga'.
Ron
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 17:24:49 +0000
From: "Sergio Vandekier" <sergiovandekier990@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Should the dance style (not the social) be
referred to as"Milonga" or" Argentine Milonga"?
To: jwalton@cix.co.uk
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu
Dear John,
Argentina has three ballroom dances:
1-Tango
2-Milonga
3- Argentine Vals
They are three distinct dances . They should not be called styles.
Tango has different styles: Salon, Milonguero, Nuevo, Canyengue, Liso,
Orillero, etc.
There is also Finnish Tango, American Tango, European Tango.
There are two styles of milonga:
The Milonga Campera or Sureqa (the original) and the city milonga
(the one we normally dance nowadays).
Other words could be used in reference to milonga such as Milonga Candombera
. (the meaning of this is that it may have something of Candombe rhythm).
A milonga is a place where tango, milonga and vals are danced as well.
Vals is sometimes called "Vals Cruzado". A reference to the fact that the
woman locks her feet in front at certain moments.
Summary: We should refer to these dances as:
Tango - Milonga - Vals
Best regards, Sergio
From: "John H. Walton" <jwalton@cix.co.uk>
Reply-To: jwalton@cix.co.uk
To: tango-l@mit.edu
CC: chrisjj@chrisjj.com, jwalton@cix.co.uk
Subject: [Tango-L] Should the dance style (not the social) be referred to
as"Milonga" or" Argentine Milonga"?
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:40:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: steve pastor <tang0man2005@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Should the dance style (not the social) be
referred to as "Milonga" or" Argentine Milonga"?
To: jwalton@cix.co.uk, tango-l@mit.edu
When I dance milonga at the country western place, I tell the women that
we are going to do one step.
If they are into dance, I may later explain that it is really tango milonga.
When I dance milonga at an Argentine Tango milonga, I refer to it
simply as milonga.
Know your audience, but don't be too reluctant to educate them.
(Some of us like to learn new things.)
Regarding the multiple meanings of "milonga"...
Hopefully, you can expect that the people you will be dealing with can
grasp the concept that a word can have more than one meaning.
I'd like to believe that learning new things actually appeals to a certain
segment of the population.
This is just me, but I would not refer to milonga as a "style".
Regarding Wikipedia... always check other sources. Some stuff is good.
Some stuff is less than good.
original post
My DanceWeb site supports many different dance style, and although It
initially had a UK audience, it is now slowly being expanded to cover
more countries (starting with USA/Canada).
The site already recognises styles of "Tango (Argentine)" and "Tango
(Ballroom)". Partly as a result of our BBC TV programme "Strictly Come
Dancing", the style of "Milonga" is now being taught as well, and I
have
been requested to support this style.
My question is:
Can I refer to this style as simply "Milonga" or is it necessary to
refer
to it as "Argentine Milonga" (or even "Tango (Milonga)"? This is
important both for organisations who enter dance classes, and dancers
who
search or browse for classes. I note that Wikipedia just uses the word
Milonga for the music and the related dance form.
(Just to confuse matters, I already use the word Milonga to refer to
any
Argentine Tango Social event, a practice very common in the UK).
Best Regards, John
https://www.danceweb.co.uk/tango
Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing.
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:36 +0100 (BST)
From: "John Walton" <jwalton@cix.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Should the dance style (not the social) be
referred to as"Milonga
To: sergiovandekier990@hotmail.com
Cc: jwalton@cix.co.uk, tango-l@mit.edu
<memo.20070724103618.5284B@john.walton4@btinternet.com.btinternet.com>
Thanks, and to all who replied.
Best Regards, John
https://www.danceweb.co.uk
