1190 Sitting at Milongas [Your opinion ?]
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:06:52 -0700
From: "Michel G. C." <Michel.COMBES@ASIM.LIP6.FR>
Subject: Sitting at Milongas [Your opinion ?]
Dear Tangero and Tangeras,
I have observed that lot's of single people doesn't enjoy attending
Milongas, as they often felt left on the side.
A lady was mentioning to me :
> "something that i find not so fun about milongas is that many come as
couples and only stay with their partners and there are never enough men so
much of my time was spent sitting which makes me sad and not interested in
paying money for--i can sit at home and be sad without having to pay for it
:)"
Do we have a problem with men being to shy to ask for a lady ?
do we need to revisit the "Argentinean protocol" for inviting a woman to
dance : eye-contact etc... ?
What could we do to make it comfortable to men to ask for women who are
sitting,
What could we do to make it comfortable for the women to ask too ?
I think there is nothing wrong in the States if the woman ask :)
I often try my best to ask everyone to dance, even it I like dancing with a
particular person I try to dance around 2-3 tangos such that I can ask
someone else without being rude to the person I'm dancing with. And most of
the time I end up dancing restlessly all the night. I know that some couples
come just to dance with their "special" partner, I might understand that,
when I was with my girlfriend, she didn't understand that I want to dance
others, and was suspicious of some vibes for other women. While for me, is
just a matter on enjoying the dance and sharing with others, and progress !
So I was not considering me as a good "date" for Milonga. That is
legitimate.
Any suggestion ?
What is the opinion of the people who goes in couple at Milongas ?
-Michel
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:11:32 -0400
From: Gülden Özen
<ozeng@NEURO.DUKE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sitting at Milongas [Your opinion ?]
For some reason, milongas and special workshops in this part of the
country (Triangle and Asheville in NC and lately DC!) seem to suffer lack
of enough men and then this imbalance is reversed for the regular classes
and practicas: there is not enough ladies when men are willing to study
tango and practice their skills!
One observation might be helpful to those ladies who complain about not
being asked to dance at the milongas: many leaders feel more comfortable
about asking the ladies they already have danced with at the practicas and
weekly classes. I think in many communities the ratio of "advanced" or
experienced dancers to the "intermediate" or less experienced dancers is
quite low. Most of the "intermediate" level dancers prefer to stay with the
people they shared the experience of dancing or practicing before and these
are not necessarily the "significant other"s for them. If ladies could be
more committed to investing their time into learning, practicing, reviewing
their tango skills then probably men would progress much better as a result
of the regular time they are investing into studying and practicing tango
with a partner who is willing to share the experience with them. This
positive interaction that starts during the classes and practicas can then
be carried to the social dance floor much more efficiently, leaving fewer
people (male or female) sitting out each time, IMHO.
Gulden
At 11:06 AM 4/22/2003 -0700, Michel G. C. wrote:
>Dear Tangero and Tangeras,
>
>I have observed that lot's of single people doesn't enjoy attending
>Milongas, as they often felt left on the side.
>
>A lady was mentioning to me :
> > "something that i find not so fun about milongas is that many come as
>couples and only stay with their partners and there are never enough men so
>much of my time was spent sitting which makes me sad and not interested in
>paying money for--i can sit at home and be sad without having to pay for it
>:)"
>
>Do we have a problem with men being to shy to ask for a lady ?
>do we need to revisit the "Argentinean protocol" for inviting a woman to
>dance : eye-contact etc... ?
>What could we do to make it comfortable to men to ask for women who are
>sitting,
>What could we do to make it comfortable for the women to ask too ?
>I think there is nothing wrong in the States if the woman ask :)
>
>I often try my best to ask everyone to dance, even it I like dancing with a
>particular person I try to dance around 2-3 tangos such that I can ask
>someone else without being rude to the person I'm dancing with. And most of
>the time I end up dancing restlessly all the night. I know that some couples
>come just to dance with their "special" partner, I might understand that,
>when I was with my girlfriend, she didn't understand that I want to dance
>others, and was suspicious of some vibes for other women. While for me, is
>just a matter on enjoying the dance and sharing with others, and progress !
>So I was not considering me as a good "date" for Milonga. That is
>legitimate.
>
>Any suggestion ?
>
>What is the opinion of the people who goes in couple at Milongas ?
>
>-Michel
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:08:11 -0300
From: Tango Partner in Buenos Aires
<tango_partner_buenos_aires@YAHOO.COM.AR>
Subject: Re: Sitting at Milongas [Your opinion ?]
Dear Tangueros and Tangueras (especially Michel),
Your observation about some singles who sit a lot at milongas is important. For those of us who love the dance it is hard to sit while the beautiful music plays on.
Here in Buenos Aires this is not so much of a problem. Because we have many more choices. With 160 milongas a week, both afternoon and evening, it is possible to tango between 2 p.m. and 6 a.m. most days of the week. It is always possible to find the milonga that suits your style, average age, skill, and preferred atmosphere. Dancers from age 8 to more than 80 years old enjoy themselves dancing in Buenos Aires.
Abrazos,
Karen & Julio.
"Michel G. C." <Michel.COMBES@ASIM.LIP6.FR> wrote: Dear Tangero and Tangeras,
I have observed that lot's of single people doesn't enjoy attending
Milongas, as they often felt left on the side.
A lady was mentioning to me :
> "something that i find not so fun about milongas is that many come as
couples and only stay with their partners and there are never enough men so
much of my time was spent sitting which makes me sad and not interested in
paying money for--i can sit at home and be sad without having to pay for it
:)"
Do we have a problem with men being to shy to ask for a lady ?
do we need to revisit the "Argentinean protocol" for inviting a woman to
dance : eye-contact etc... ?
What could we do to make it comfortable to men to ask for women who are
sitting,
What could we do to make it comfortable for the women to ask too ?
I think there is nothing wrong in the States if the woman ask :)
I often try my best to ask everyone to dance, even it I like dancing with a
particular person I try to dance around 2-3 tangos such that I can ask
someone else without being rude to the person I'm dancing with. And most of
the time I end up dancing restlessly all the night. I know that some couples
come just to dance with their "special" partner, I might understand that,
when I was with my girlfriend, she didn't understand that I want to dance
others, and was suspicious of some vibes for other women. While for me, is
just a matter on enjoying the dance and sharing with others, and progress !
So I was not considering me as a good "date" for Milonga. That is
legitimate.
Any suggestion ?
What is the opinion of the people who goes in couple at Milongas ?
-Michel
Karen Corriea & Julio Corazza
- Your Tango Partners in Buenos Aires -
tango_partner_buenos_aires@yahoo.com.ar
(5411) 4371-0435 or 4753-3460 or 4752-0213
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Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:06:52 -0700
From: "Michel G. C." <Michel.COMBES@ASIM.LIP6.FR>
Subject: Sitting at Milongas [Your opinion ?]
Dear Tangero and Tangeras,
I have observed that lot's of single people doesn't
enjoy attending Milongas, as they often felt left on
the side.
A lady was mentioning to me : > "something that i find
not so fun about milongas is that many come as couples
and only stay with their partners and there are never
enough men so much of my time was spent sitting which
makes me sad and not interested in paying money
for--i can sit at home and be sad without having to
pay for it :)"
Do we have a problem with men being to shy to ask for
a lady? Do we need to revisit the "Argentinean
protocol" for inviting a woman to dance : eye-contact
etc... ? What could we do to make it comfortable to
men to ask for women who are sitting, What could we do
to make it comfortable for the women to ask too ?
I think there is nothing wrong in the States if the
woman ask :)
[...]
What is the opinion of the people who goes in couple
at Milongas ?
-Michel
<ozeng@NEURO.DUKE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sitting at Milongas [Your opinion ?]
-Michel
<ozeng@NEURO.DUKE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Sitting at Milongas [Your opinion ?]
For some reason, milongas and special workshops in
this part of the country (Triangle and Asheville in NC
and lately DC!) seem to suffer lack of enough men and
then this imbalance is reversed for the regular
classes and practicas: there is not enough ladies when
men are willing to study tango and practice their
skills! One observation might be helpful to those
ladies who complain about not being asked to dance at
the milongas: many leaders feel more comfortable about
asking the ladies they already have danced with at the
practicas and weekly classes. I think in many
communities the ratio of "advanced" or experienced
dancers to the "intermediate" or less experienced
dancers is quite low. Most of the "intermediate" level
dancers prefer to stay with the people they shared
the experience of dancing or practicing before and
these are not necessarily the "significant other"s for
them. If ladies could be more committed to investing
their time into learning, practicing, reviewing their
tango skills then probably men would progress much
better as a result of the regular time they are
investing into studying and practicing tango with a
partner who is willing to share the experience with
them. This positive interaction that starts during the
classes and practicas can then be carried to the
social dance floor much more efficiently, leaving
fewer people (male or female) sitting out each time,
IMHO.
Gulden
