2544 Standardization-The answer to everyone's prayers
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 01:10:36 EDT
From: AHGberg@AOL.COM
Subject: Standardization-The answer to everyone's prayers
Hi Listeros:
I feel like the two thousand year old man (Thanks Carl Reiner)!
When they discovered the Rosetta stone and suddenly began to develope the
facility to finally translate the heiroglyphics on Ancient Egyptian Tombs, they
discovered that there was one group of dancers who wanted to get everyone who
danced to use a heel lead. A two thousand year war erupted between those
who opposed the heel lead and those who insisted that the dance walk must be
taken on the balls of the feet. That debate seems to have landed right in the
middle of the Tango Discussion List in 2004.
Jonathan Swift (slowly) wrote about the fierce wars that seemed to never end
or reach a conclusion (in jolly old England) due to one group insisting that
the large end of the egg should be cracked as opposed to the small end. The
two opposing political parties, the Large Enders and the Small Enders, still
are arguing to this date over the proper end to crack the egg.
When some one suggested that a syllabus be reduced to writing someone
objected to that because firstly he/she didn't know how to write or read while
someone else noted that we couldn't reduce anything to writing because no one up
that point had reached an agreement of just what "writing things down" meant.
We have no alphabet.....Some guy piiped up and suggested Kangi Script. (What
the hell is that?) For thousands of years we simply communicated orally what was
"the Torah" until someone observed that we seem to have expanded our ten
commandments to 72,468 laws and no one seemed to have the capability to remember
enough of these to verbalize them so they commenced to reduce these biblical
writings into one consolidated book called the bible....Even with the
discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls we have been unable to agree at all on what belongs
in the bible and wht does not......... There is hope though that eventually
we will have reached the pinnacle of civilized existence today (in the near
future) because......now having standardized all these old laws and myths we
all believe in the same God and we all (globally) think the same way and
everything is orderly and there is perfect harmony from the Dali Lama to the Pope
and from the Israelis and throughout the Islamic World.......from the Buddhists
to the Shintoists from the Monks in Nepal to the Andean Indians from the
Eskimos to the Methodists from the Crdoats to the Serbs......everyone since they
reduced everything to writing and standardised it all now is at peace and no
disputes never ever will arise between any of them......and everyone loves
each other and no one cares whether you start sidewards with the left foot or
backwards with the right foot. No one really cares whether you start the waltz
on one and finish with your feet together on the third beat...no one cares
whether you dance the Mambo or the salsa on the one or the two beat..... and I
really don't care how you hold me when we dance but if you put your hand on me
there...just one more time I will get a gun and blow your ass to kingdom com
e! Phew! That doesn't sound harmonioous to me!!!!
I remember having a dialogue with one Tango Dancer in France who was quoting
me passages from an authenticTango Technique book published in 1916 written
in spanish by an Argentinean author!
And Shaquille Oneal said, "Let the truth be told!" Who is Shaq? How many
homeruns will he hit this season? Kobe Ryan??? Who? Doesn't he live in Eagle,
Colorado? Whatever happened to Dan Quayle? Jackson! Phil or Stonewall!
An Ocho is an Ocho is an Ocho......or is it? Let me consult my latest list of
authentic Tango terminology!
Respectfully yours,
Arturo
PS Bring on the Flames!
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 06:45:21 -0700
From: "Franco, Zeno" <zfranco@PGSP.EDU>
Subject: Re: Standardization-The answer to everyone's prayers
Clearly, the large end of the egg should be cracked.
Best,
Zeno
________________________________
Sent: Tue 7/6/2004 10:10 PM
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: [TANGO-L] Standardization-The answer to everyone's prayers
Hi Listeros:
I feel like the two thousand year old man (Thanks Carl Reiner)!
When they discovered the Rosetta stone and suddenly began to develope the
facility to finally translate the heiroglyphics on Ancient Egyptian Tombs,
they
discovered that there was one group of dancers who wanted to get everyone who
danced to use a heel lead. A two thousand year war erupted between those
who opposed the heel lead and those who insisted that the dance walk must be
taken on the balls of the feet. That debate seems to have landed right in the
middle of the Tango Discussion List in 2004.
Jonathan Swift (slowly) wrote about the fierce wars that seemed to never end
or reach a conclusion (in jolly old England) due to one group insisting that
the large end of the egg should be cracked as opposed to the small end. The
two opposing political parties, the Large Enders and the Small Enders, still
are arguing to this date over the proper end to crack the egg.
When some one suggested that a syllabus be reduced to writing someone
objected to that because firstly he/she didn't know how to write or read
while
someone else noted that we couldn't reduce anything to writing because no one
up
that point had reached an agreement of just what "writing things down" meant.
We have no alphabet.....Some guy piiped up and suggested Kangi Script. (What
the hell is that?) For thousands of years we simply communicated orally what
was
"the Torah" until someone observed that we seem to have expanded our ten
commandments to 72,468 laws and no one seemed to have the capability to
remember
enough of these to verbalize them so they commenced to reduce these
biblical
writings into one consolidated book called the bible....Even with the
discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls we have been unable to agree at all on what
belongs
in the bible and wht does not......... There is hope though that eventually
we will have reached the pinnacle of civilized existence today (in the near
future) because......now having standardized all these old laws and myths we
all believe in the same God and we all (globally) think the same way and
everything is orderly and there is perfect harmony from the Dali Lama to the
Pope
and from the Israelis and throughout the Islamic World.......from the
Buddhists
to the Shintoists from the Monks in Nepal to the Andean Indians from the
Eskimos to the Methodists from the Crdoats to the Serbs......everyone since
they
reduced everything to writing and standardised it all now is at peace and no
disputes never ever will arise between any of them......and everyone loves
each other and no one cares whether you start sidewards with the left foot or
backwards with the right foot. No one really cares whether you start the
waltz
on one and finish with your feet together on the third beat...no one cares
whether you dance the Mambo or the salsa on the one or the two beat.....
and I
really don't care how you hold me when we dance but if you put your hand on
me
there...just one more time I will get a gun and blow your ass to kingdom com
e! Phew! That doesn't sound harmonioous to me!!!!
I remember having a dialogue with one Tango Dancer in France who was quoting
me passages from an authenticTango Technique book published in 1916 written
in spanish by an Argentinean author!
And Shaquille Oneal said, "Let the truth be told!" Who is Shaq? How many
homeruns will he hit this season? Kobe Ryan??? Who? Doesn't he live in Eagle,
Colorado? Whatever happened to Dan Quayle? Jackson! Phil or Stonewall!
An Ocho is an Ocho is an Ocho......or is it? Let me consult my latest list of
authentic Tango terminology!
Respectfully yours,
Arturo
PS Bring on the Flames!
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 10:22:37 -0400
From: John Gleeson <john.gleeson@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Standardization-The answer to everyone's prayers
Sorry, Zeno, but if you want to be considered an authority
on this subject you should be using the "correct" terminology.
It is not the "large end" but the "Big End".
:<) John G.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Standardization-The answer to everyone's prayers
Clearly, the large end of the egg should be cracked.
Best,
Zeno
________________________________
Sent: Tue 7/6/2004 10:10 PM
To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
Subject: [TANGO-L] Standardization-The answer to everyone's prayers
Hi Listeros:
I feel like the two thousand year old man (Thanks Carl Reiner)!
When they discovered the Rosetta stone and suddenly began to develope the
facility to finally translate the heiroglyphics on Ancient Egyptian Tombs,
they
discovered that there was one group of dancers who wanted to get everyone who
danced to use a heel lead. A two thousand year war erupted between those
who opposed the heel lead and those who insisted that the dance walk must be
taken on the balls of the feet. That debate seems to have landed right in the
middle of the Tango Discussion List in 2004.
Jonathan Swift (slowly) wrote about the fierce wars that seemed to never end
or reach a conclusion (in jolly old England) due to one group insisting that
the large end of the egg should be cracked as opposed to the small end. The
two opposing political parties, the Large Enders and the Small Enders, still
are arguing to this date over the proper end to crack the egg.
When some one suggested that a syllabus be reduced to writing someone
objected to that because firstly he/she didn't know how to write or read
while
someone else noted that we couldn't reduce anything to writing because no one
up
that point had reached an agreement of just what "writing things down" meant.
We have no alphabet.....Some guy piiped up and suggested Kangi Script. (What
the hell is that?) For thousands of years we simply communicated orally what
was
"the Torah" until someone observed that we seem to have expanded our ten
commandments to 72,468 laws and no one seemed to have the capability to
remember
enough of these to verbalize them so they commenced to reduce these
biblical
writings into one consolidated book called the bible....Even with the
discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls we have been unable to agree at all on what
belongs
in the bible and wht does not......... There is hope though that eventually
we will have reached the pinnacle of civilized existence today (in the near
future) because......now having standardized all these old laws and myths we
all believe in the same God and we all (globally) think the same way and
everything is orderly and there is perfect harmony from the Dali Lama to the
Pope
and from the Israelis and throughout the Islamic World.......from the
Buddhists
to the Shintoists from the Monks in Nepal to the Andean Indians from the
Eskimos to the Methodists from the Crdoats to the Serbs......everyone since
they
reduced everything to writing and standardised it all now is at peace and no
disputes never ever will arise between any of them......and everyone loves
each other and no one cares whether you start sidewards with the left foot or
backwards with the right foot. No one really cares whether you start the
waltz
on one and finish with your feet together on the third beat...no one cares
whether you dance the Mambo or the salsa on the one or the two beat.....
and I
really don't care how you hold me when we dance but if you put your hand on
me
there...just one more time I will get a gun and blow your ass to kingdom com
e! Phew! That doesn't sound harmonioous to me!!!!
I remember having a dialogue with one Tango Dancer in France who was quoting
me passages from an authenticTango Technique book published in 1916 written
in spanish by an Argentinean author!
And Shaquille Oneal said, "Let the truth be told!" Who is Shaq? How many
homeruns will he hit this season? Kobe Ryan??? Who? Doesn't he live in Eagle,
Colorado? Whatever happened to Dan Quayle? Jackson! Phil or Stonewall!
An Ocho is an Ocho is an Ocho......or is it? Let me consult my latest list of
authentic Tango terminology!
Respectfully yours,
Arturo
PS Bring on the Flames!
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 23:35:21 +0900
From: astrid <astrid@RUBY.PLALA.OR.JP>
Subject: Re: Standardization-The answer to everyone's prayers
We will also have to clarify (maybe by a democratic vote in form of a
questionnaire) whether the cracking of the large big end is best achieved by
a succession of fast little hits with a plastic spoon, or preferably by a
few, well accentuated beats with a metal spoon. (I personally tend to turn
the egg on it's head (?) and bash it once on the table, a method some
long-suffering egg crackers have finally adopted.)
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Gleeson"
Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Standardization-The answer to everyone's prayers
> Sorry, Zeno, but if you want to be considered an authority
> on this subject you should be using the "correct" terminology.
>
> It is not the "large end" but the "Big End".
>
> :<) John G.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Franco, Zeno"> Subject: Re: [TANGO-L] Standardization-The answer to
everyone's prayers
>
>
> Clearly, the large end of the egg should be cracked.
>
> Best,
>
> Zeno
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Discussion of Any Aspect of the Argentine Tango on behalf of
> AHGberg@AOL.COM
> Sent: Tue 7/6/2004 10:10 PM
> To: TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
> Subject: [TANGO-L] Standardization-The answer to everyone's prayers
>
>
>
> Hi Listeros:
>
> I feel like the two thousand year old man (Thanks Carl Reiner)!
> When they discovered the Rosetta stone and suddenly began to develope the
> facility to finally translate the heiroglyphics on Ancient Egyptian
Tombs,
> they
> discovered that there was one group of dancers who wanted to get everyone
who
> danced to use a heel lead. A two thousand year war erupted between
those
> who opposed the heel lead and those who insisted that the dance walk must
be
> taken on the balls of the feet. That debate seems to have landed right in
the
> middle of the Tango Discussion List in 2004.
>
> Jonathan Swift (slowly) wrote about the fierce wars that seemed to never
end
> or reach a conclusion (in jolly old England) due to one group insisting
that
> the large end of the egg should be cracked as opposed to the small end.
The
> two opposing political parties, the Large Enders and the Small Enders,
still
> are arguing to this date over the proper end to crack the egg.
> When some one suggested that a syllabus be reduced to writing someone
> objected to that because firstly he/she didn't know how to write or read
> while
> someone else noted that we couldn't reduce anything to writing because no
one
> up
> that point had reached an agreement of just what "writing things down"
meant.
> We have no alphabet.....Some guy piiped up and suggested Kangi Script.
(What
> the hell is that?) For thousands of years we simply communicated orally
what
> was
> "the Torah" until someone observed that we seem to have expanded our ten
> commandments to 72,468 laws and no one seemed to have the capability to
> remember
> enough of these to verbalize them so they commenced to reduce these
> biblical
> writings into one consolidated book called the bible....Even with the
> discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls we have been unable to agree at all on
what
> belongs
> in the bible and wht does not......... There is hope though that
eventually
> we will have reached the pinnacle of civilized existence today (in the
near
> future) because......now having standardized all these old laws and myths
we
> all believe in the same God and we all (globally) think the same way and
> everything is orderly and there is perfect harmony from the Dali Lama to
the
> Pope
> and from the Israelis and throughout the Islamic World.......from the
> Buddhists
> to the Shintoists from the Monks in Nepal to the Andean Indians from the
> Eskimos to the Methodists from the Crdoats to the Serbs......everyone
since
> they
> reduced everything to writing and standardised it all now is at peace and
no
> disputes never ever will arise between any of them......and everyone
loves
> each other and no one cares whether you start sidewards with the left foot
or
> backwards with the right foot. No one really cares whether you start the
> waltz
> on one and finish with your feet together on the third beat...no one cares
> whether you dance the Mambo or the salsa on the one or the two beat.....
> and I
> really don't care how you hold me when we dance but if you put your hand
on
> me
> there...just one more time I will get a gun and blow your ass to kingdom
com
> e! Phew! That doesn't sound harmonioous to me!!!!
>
> I remember having a dialogue with one Tango Dancer in France who was
quoting
> me passages from an authenticTango Technique book published in 1916
written
> in spanish by an Argentinean author!
>
> And Shaquille Oneal said, "Let the truth be told!" Who is Shaq? How many
> homeruns will he hit this season? Kobe Ryan??? Who? Doesn't he live in
Eagle,
> Colorado? Whatever happened to Dan Quayle? Jackson! Phil or Stonewall!
>
> An Ocho is an Ocho is an Ocho......or is it? Let me consult my latest list
of
> authentic Tango terminology!
>
> Respectfully yours,
> Arturo
> PS Bring on the Flames!
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 14:02:11 -0500
From: "Lois Donnay (E-mail)" <donnay@DONNAY.NET>
Subject: Re: Standardization-The answer to everyone's prayers
What are you saying!?!?! Clearly it must be done only with spoons
manufactured between 1925 and 1955. It's OK if they have been polished.
These spoons must originate in the country from which the Egg Cracking
Ritual originated.
Lois
> We will also have to clarify (maybe by a democratic vote in form of a
> questionnaire) whether the cracking of the large big end is
> best achieved by a succession of fast little hits with a
> plastic spoon, or preferably by a few, well accentuated beats
> with a metal spoon.
