4361  Tango-moment

Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:39:13 -0400
From: andrea <ako31@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Tango-moment
To: tango-l@mit.edu

hi tine-

there is a buddhist psychologist named mark epstein who wrote about a
similar experience in 'going to pieces without falling apart":

"i noticed how suddenly quiet my mind had become. my everyday
thoughts had vanished, and the tension in my shoulders was gone. i
was momentarily undefended and curiously at peace. i wasnt trying to
relax, and i wasnt trying not to relax. everything was floating. i
was no longer centered in my thinking mind"


this is the closest to a tango moment as i can think of.

my personal description is that it is the experience of being
completely in the moment w/o experiencing the 'i' that is me. my day
to day self is out of the way. it is a series of pleasurable moments
that are put together w/o the judging or observing mind. it is the
pure experience of my body moving w/o any effort, my thoughts w/o
tension, my conciousness w/o words, i am one in myself and in the
world. i call tango my valium.

( i await a comment from derick how its different for men than for
women, different and better in argentina, and 14 ways i SHOULD
improve upon this)


a n d r e a

Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 06:09:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Tango-moment Andrea's requested comment from
Derik...lol.
To: andrea <ako31@nyc.rr.com>, tango-l@mit.edu

Dear Andrea:

Lets see...

We have US Americans teaching Argentines how to dance
Argentine Tango, and Buddhist psychologists named Mark
Epstein teaching the Asians about Buddhism. What next
for US Americans to Mac Donaldize?

Derik
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com

--- andrea <ako31@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

> hi tine-
>
> there is a buddhist psychologist named mark epstein
> who wrote about a
> similar experience in 'going to pieces without
> falling apart":
>
> "i noticed how suddenly quiet my mind had become. my
> everyday
> thoughts had vanished, and the tension in my
> shoulders was gone. i
> was momentarily undefended and curiously at peace. i
> wasnt trying to
> relax, and i wasnt trying not to relax. everything
> was floating. i
> was no longer centered in my thinking mind"
>
>
> this is the closest to a tango moment as i can think
> of.
>
> my personal description is that it is the experience
> of being
> completely in the moment w/o experiencing the 'i'
> that is me. my day
> to day self is out of the way. it is a series of
> pleasurable moments
> that are put together w/o the judging or observing
> mind. it is the
> pure experience of my body moving w/o any effort, my
> thoughts w/o
> tension, my conciousness w/o words, i am one in
> myself and in the
> world. i call tango my valium.
>
> ( i await a comment from derick how its different
> for men than for
> women, different and better in argentina, and 14
> ways i SHOULD
> improve upon this)
>
>
> a n d r e a
>
>
>

Derik Rawson
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
https://www.rawsonweb.com
713-522-0888 USA Landline Direct to Portable Cell Phone
281-754-4315 USA Landline Voice/Fax
d.rawson@cal.berkeley.edu
d.rawson@haas.alum.berkeley.edu
rawsonweb@yahoo.com
Europe/Asia
rawsonweb@compuserve.com
Paris, France

Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:22:10 -0400
From: andrea <ako31@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Tango-moment Andrea's requested comment from
Derik...lol.
To: d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu


On Jun 2, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Derik Rawson wrote:

> Dear Andrea:
>
> Lets see...
>
> We have US Americans teaching Argentines how to dance
> Argentine Tango, and Buddhist psychologists named Mark
> Epstein teaching the Asians about Buddhism. What next
> for US Americans to Mac Donaldize?
>
> Derik
> d.rawson@rawsonweb.com

closed mindedness and prejudice are extremely unattractive

please do not include me in any 'we' or 'us' with you

and please lose my email


a n d r e a

Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:35:22 +0000 (GMT)
From: Lucia <curvasreales@yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Tango-moment Andrea's requested comment from
Derik...lol.
To: d.rawson@rawsonweb.com, andrea <ako31@nyc.rr.com>, tango-l@mit.edu

What about Spatz's (a.k.a. TangoDC) excruciately
boring, florid, untrue, un-researched idiosyncratic
translations of Tango lyrics. It is more than a
disservice to Tango, it is an affront to Argentine
culture...

Lucia

Disclaimer: My time is precious, I do not waste it
reading Spatz' rambling rants...

--- Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@yahoo.com> escribi?:

> Dear Andrea:
>
> Lets see...
>
> We have US Americans teaching Argentines how to
> dance
> Argentine Tango, and Buddhist psychologists named
> Mark
> Epstein teaching the Asians about Buddhism. What
> next
> for US Americans to Mac Donaldize?
>
> Derik
> d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
>
> --- andrea <ako31@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > hi tine-
> >
> > there is a buddhist psychologist named mark
> epstein
> > who wrote about a
> > similar experience in 'going to pieces without
> > falling apart":
> >
> > "i noticed how suddenly quiet my mind had become.
> my
> > everyday
> > thoughts had vanished, and the tension in my
> > shoulders was gone. i
> > was momentarily undefended and curiously at peace.
> i
> > wasnt trying to
> > relax, and i wasnt trying not to relax. everything
> > was floating. i
> > was no longer centered in my thinking mind"
> >
> >
> > this is the closest to a tango moment as i can
> think
> > of.
> >
> > my personal description is that it is the
> experience
> > of being
> > completely in the moment w/o experiencing the 'i'
> > that is me. my day
> > to day self is out of the way. it is a series of
> > pleasurable moments
> > that are put together w/o the judging or observing
> > mind. it is the
> > pure experience of my body moving w/o any effort,
> my
> > thoughts w/o
> > tension, my conciousness w/o words, i am one in
> > myself and in the
> > world. i call tango my valium.
> >
> > ( i await a comment from derick how its different
> > for men than for
> > women, different and better in argentina, and 14
> > ways i SHOULD
> > improve upon this)
> >
> >
> > a n d r e a
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Derik Rawson
> d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
> https://www.rawsonweb.com
> 713-522-0888 USA Landline Direct to Portable Cell
> Phone
> 281-754-4315 USA Landline Voice/Fax
> d.rawson@cal.berkeley.edu
> d.rawson@haas.alum.berkeley.edu
> rawsonweb@yahoo.com
> Europe/Asia
> rawsonweb@compuserve.com
> Paris, France
>
>
>
>
> protection around
>

Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:49:16 +0000 (GMT)
From: Lucia <curvasreales@yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Tango-moment Andrea's requested comment from
Derik...lol.
To: andrea <ako31@nyc.rr.com>, d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu

Dear Andrea,

I have always respected your posts, but this time I
believe you are displaying arrogance - an aspect of
the First Deadly Sin, for which, beware, you'll be
broken on the wheel in Hell (the ultimate address for
all self-respecting New Yorkers anyway.)

Instead of dispensing epithets, why not refute, in a
civilized way, Derik's statement?

Thanks,

Lucia ;-)


--- andrea <ako31@nyc.rr.com> escribi?:

>
> On Jun 2, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Derik Rawson wrote:
> > Dear Andrea:
> >
> > Lets see...
> >
> > We have US Americans teaching Argentines how to
> dance
> > Argentine Tango, and Buddhist psychologists named
> Mark
> > Epstein teaching the Asians about Buddhism. What
> next
> > for US Americans to Mac Donaldize?
> >
> > Derik
> > d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
>
>
>
> closed mindedness and prejudice are extremely
> unattractive
>
> please do not include me in any 'we' or 'us' with
> you
>
> and please lose my email
>
>
> a n d r e a
>
>

Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 08:08:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Tango-moment Andrea's requested comment from
Derik...lol.
To: tango-l@mit.edu

Dear Andrea:

If you are open minded and I am closed minded, why are
you the one closing off communications? I suggest
that you are in fact the one who wants to do as she
pleases, and to heck with anyone who disagrees with
you.

Derik
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com

--- andrea <ako31@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

>
> On Jun 2, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Derik Rawson wrote:
> > Dear Andrea:
> >
> > Lets see...
> >
> > We have US Americans teaching Argentines how to
> dance
> > Argentine Tango, and Buddhist psychologists named
> Mark
> > Epstein teaching the Asians about Buddhism. What
> next
> > for US Americans to Mac Donaldize?
> >
> > Derik
> > d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
>
>
>
> closed mindedness and prejudice are extremely
> unattractive
>
> please do not include me in any 'we' or 'us' with
> you
>
> and please lose my email
>
>
> a n d r e a
>
>
>

Derik Rawson
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
https://www.rawsonweb.com
713-522-0888 USA Landline Direct to Portable Cell Phone
281-754-4315 USA Landline Voice/Fax
d.rawson@cal.berkeley.edu
d.rawson@haas.alum.berkeley.edu
rawsonweb@yahoo.com
Europe/Asia
rawsonweb@compuserve.com
Paris, France

Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:23:04 -0400
From: Ilene Marder <imhmedia@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Tango-moment Andrea's requested comment from
Derik...lol.
To: d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
Cc: tango-l@mit.edu

could you please take these private comments off the list and reply to
yourselves individually...thank you.

Derik Rawson wrote:

>Dear Andrea:
>
>If you are open minded and I am closed minded, why are
>you the one closing off communications? I suggest
>that you are in fact the one who wants to do as she
>pleases, and to heck with anyone who disagrees with
>you.
>
>Derik
>d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
>
>--- andrea <ako31@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>On Jun 2, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Derik Rawson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Dear Andrea:
>>>
>>>Lets see...
>>>
>>>We have US Americans teaching Argentines how to
>>>
>>>
>>dance
>>
>>
>>>Argentine Tango, and Buddhist psychologists named
>>>
>>>
>>Mark
>>
>>
>>>Epstein teaching the Asians about Buddhism. What
>>>
>>>
>>next
>>
>>
>>>for US Americans to Mac Donaldize?
>>>
>>>Derik
>>>d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>closed mindedness and prejudice are extremely
>>unattractive
>>
>>please do not include me in any 'we' or 'us' with
>>you
>>
>>and please lose my email
>>
>>
>>a n d r e a
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Derik Rawson
>d.rawson@rawsonweb.com
>https://www.rawsonweb.com
>713-522-0888 USA Landline Direct to Portable Cell Phone
>281-754-4315 USA Landline Voice/Fax
>d.rawson@cal.berkeley.edu
>d.rawson@haas.alum.berkeley.edu
>rawsonweb@yahoo.com
>Europe/Asia
>rawsonweb@compuserve.com
>Paris, France
>
>
>
>
>
>
>