5292 Tech entreaty: Please care how your post is
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:21:42 -0800
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: [Tango-L] Tech entreaty: Please care how your post is
published!
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
All your posts guys are stored for posterity in there:
https://pythia.uoregon.edu/%7Ellynch/Tango-L/2006/
Please, check it !
And if your lines are too long, it is impossible to read. At least in
Internet Explorer ( a program 99.999999% of the users use ).
Please, fix your e-mailing to insert line breaks !
Or just type them your self in the text.
I use Microsoft Outlook, I do care about you, and as you see it works fine.
Thank you!
Igor Polk
PS. This is not a Tango-L question. This is your question !
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:13:33 -0800
From: "Konstantin Zahariev" <anfractuoso@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Tech entreaty: Please care how your post is
published!
To: Tango-L <tango-l@mit.edu>
<ade549600711152113h237a8e3l46d2db00d7f8e7e2@mail.gmail.com>
On Nov 15, 2007 10:21 AM, Igor Polk <ipolk@virtuar.com> wrote:
> All your posts guys are stored for posterity in there:
>
> https://pythia.uoregon.edu/%7Ellynch/Tango-L/2006/
> Please, check it !
>
> And if your lines are too long, it is impossible to read. At least in
> Internet Explorer ( a program 99.999999% of the users use ).
>
> Please, fix your e-mailing to insert line breaks !
>
> Or just type them your self in the text.
Yes, it is definitely annoying, and it has been happening more in the
last few months, for some reason.
It is not just with IE. I read using Firefox which has the same problem.
That said, every time I want to read the long-line postings I hit
Ctrl+U to bring up "Page Source" view, where the text of the post is
formatted properly for reading (scroll down a bit). So this is a
workaround for existing annoyances.
BTW, I don't think it is a 99.999999% share for IE; hasn't been for a
long time. Don't know about actual users/posters to Tango-L, but out
there on the intertubes
(https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=ted+stevens+intertubes) the
current browser shares are:
IExplorer: 57 % (total of 3 versions)
Firefox: 36%
and others below 2% each (Safari, Opera, Mozilla). See this:
https://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
and one may suppose the Tango-L distribution may not be much different.
Konstantin
Victoria, Canada
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:31:11 -0300 (ART)
From: Lucia <curvasreales@yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Tech entreaty: Please care how your post is
published; or your stats..
To: Igor Polk <ipolk@virtuar.com>, tango-l@mit.edu
Igor Polk <ipolk@virtuar.com> escribi?:
And if your lines are too long, it is impossible to read. At least in
Internet Explorer ( a program 99.999999% of the users use ).
Igor, are you working for Microsoft? ;->
If we believe w3shools' statistics below:
2007 IE7 IE6 IE5 Fx Moz S O October 21.0% 34.5% 1.5% 36.0% 1.3% 1.7% 1.6%
Firefox (FX) has 36% of the market..
Lucia
Los referentes m?s importantes en compra/venta de autos se juntaron:
Demotores y Yahoo!.Ahora comprar o vender tu auto es m?s f?cil.
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:10:43 -0800
From: "Igor Polk" <ipolk@virtuar.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Tech entreaty: Please care how your post is
published; or your stats..
To: <tango-l@mit.edu>
It is not a browser problem. No browser will ever wrap the HTML text in a
window.
When you send an e-mail to Tango-L, you actually publish it on Internet. And
you even do not know where it is going to end up. So it is better to stay on
the safe side. If you want your posting to create positive experience, of
course.
I am sorry, my joke about Browser popularity was taken too seriously by
some..
Well, I am a programmer, and I wish all other browsers to vanish, so I have
less trouble at work testing my concoctions against all of them ! :)
Those are just annoyances, taking my time to deal with.. :) ( note the
smiley ;) )
I just wish guys you will be so diligent researching Tango.
Spending time looking for truth,
What can be more noble !
Igor Polk.
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:18:23 +1100
From: Victor Bennetts <Victor_Bennetts@infosys.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Tech entreaty: Please care how your post is
published; or your stats..
To: "tango-l@mit.edu" <tango-l@mit.edu>
<EBAF6BD07D1C6C42AF55D51893B4C6DA025521EA68@AUSMELMBX01.ad.infosys.com>
Thank you Igor for putting me onto such a facinating issue. Here I was expecting to Google a quick fix but instead stumbled onto layers and layers of debate and standards. To say this is not a browser problem is strictly correct but a gross over-simplification. As I understand it (I am not a web developer or mail administrator) the lines don't wrap because the archiver program that formats the plain text messages for pythia wraps them in <pre> tags. This is signalling that the message is preformatted text and hence is not to be formatted and wrapped (the default behavour I believe). Apparently there is a way to get Outlook to insert line feeds at a specified character length for you, so I will look into that Monday and post it. That is the quick work around, but I see this as an arbitrary mangling of the message. And adding line feeds manually seem so seventies. I see this as really a mail archiver issue. The archiver should be smart enough to recognize text that consists o!
f long lines and either break it up or, much better still, wrap it in different more appropriate tags. There is a lively debate over whether to manually input carriage returns, an issue as controvertial as followers unwinding after the cross ;-). The quick quick fix is just to cut and paste the long message into wordpad or word and it will reformat fine.
Here is a really good article on the background to the problem and ways in which various standards bodies attempt to solve it (actually a really interesting site about email formatting in general):
https://mailformat.dan.info/body/linelength.html
Here is one guy's defence of long lines:
https://www.tnlc.com/eep/wrap.html
Here is some background on the relevant html:
https://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html
Anyway, sorry for the offtopic (somewhat) post and for the unreadable messages (including this one ;-))
P.S. As anyone who works in IT will tell you, never trust a developer, just love and abuse them :-).
Igor wrote>It is not a browser problem. No browser will ever wrap the HTML text in a
window.
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Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:41:37 +1100
From: Victor Bennetts <Victor_Bennetts@infosys.com>
Subject: Re: [Tango-L] Tech entreaty: Please care how your post is
published; or your stats..
To: "tango-l@mit.edu" <tango-l@mit.edu>
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Tools->Options->Mail Format->Internet Format->Plain Text Options
But mine was already set to 76 characters, so there may be some bug preventing this from working. Have reset down to 70 characters and turned off Word as the mail editing program [Tools->Options->Mail Format->Message Format and there is a check box] so that may also help.
Victor
>Apparently there is a way to get Outlook to insert line feeds at a >specified character length for you, so I will look into that Monday >and post it.
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