4031  Thank you for the new picture of Andres Amarilla...Look closely. It proves my point

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:46:22 -0800
From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Thank you for the new picture of Andres Amarilla...Look closely. It proves my point

Dear Sean:

Thank you for the new picture of Andres Amariila at:

https://www.andresamariila.com

It proves my point.

In the picture of Andres and Meredith, each person's
individual center of gravity is still over the feet.
If either Andres or Meredith let go of each other,
they would both still be standing on their own
balance. In the picture of Susana, her center of
gravity is so far away from her feet, that she would
fall flat on her face.

These two pictures illustrate exactly what I am
talking about.

Derik
d.rawson@rawsonweb.com


--- "Trini y Sean (PATangoS)" <patangos@YAHOO.COM>
wrote:

> Hola Derik!
>
> Thanks for the picture. It is beautiful. It is
> tango.
> The style pictured has infinite possibilities. Any
> limitations you experience are your own.
>
> For another tango picture, check out the photo of
> Andres and Meredith at
> https://www.umich.edu/~umtango/events/festival-jan06/
> It is beautiful. It is tango. The style pictured has
> infinite possibilities. Any limitations you
> experience
> are your own.
>
> Sean
>
>
> --- Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>
> just click on the link below to see a picture of
> Susana Miller dancing. If the man in this picture
> stepped away from her, she would fall flat on her
> face.
>
>

https://www.rawsonweb.com/tango/Design/Assets/Images/wtsusanamiller.gif

>
> P.S. I have danced with this woman with a very
> similar
> embrace. (As close as I can manage.) Trust me, no
> matter what the man does, she won't fall on her
> face.
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 14:32:28 +0900
From: astrid <astrid@RUBY.PLALA.OR.JP>
Subject: Re: Thank you for the new picture of Andres Amarilla...Look closely. It proves my point

> If either Andres or Meredith let go of each other,
> they would both still be standing on their own
> balance. In the picture of Susana, her center of
> gravity is so far away from her feet, that she would
> fall flat on her face.
>
> These two pictures illustrate exactly what I am
> talking about.
>
> Derik

I will say something, even though I doubt it is any use explaining this (yet
again) on the list.
Derik, a woman's "lean" is only uncomfortable if the man does not lean back
(or actually, forward) against her, which needds to be done in order to
achieve an even contribution of weight, so that the axis can be shared 50-50
(there are some moves where the woman leans more against the man,but this is
more often part of "open embrace" and fantasia).
This only works if both dancers have developed the muscles around the inner
axis of their bodies (Pilates exercises, anyone?), you don't want a woman
slumping against a man, with her middle sagging towards the floor
uncontrolled. Nor do you want a man, who sort of crumbles or tenses under
the weight and hesitatingly moves backwards when the woman puts some weight
against him. Rather the woman needs the man to put his chest forwards, to
give his body to her as she gives hers over to him. In order to increase the
angle, the man can then take two short steps backwards while leaving his
chest where it is, touching the woman's. The shared weight will then
distrube itself down your backbone, and the muscles in the small of the back
need to be strong to hold against this and keep the body from curving in
under it. It is also a matter of anatomy. It helps a lot if the man is
somewhat taller than the woman, and at least 10% heavier than her, IMO (I
dance with Japanese a lot, who are often slightly built, short, flat
chested, and feel a bit featherweight and delicate, so I would not want to
entrust my body to them unless they have developed a strong axis.)
Once you can maintain our axis well, and you know how to share it with your
partner, it does not feel heavy at all, but rather like a sufficient
condition to give yourself up to oblivion. You still have to navigate
though.

Astrid's two cents on shared axis

Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:12:36 +0000
From: Dani Iannarelli <dani@TANGO-LA-DOLCE-VITA.COM>
Subject: Re: Thank you for the new picture of Andres Amarilla...Look closely. It proves my point

Come come, Astrid, you disappoint me! I thought you were like me... clever! >:-)))
This goes without saying! Just let everyone try otherwise and fall flat on their faces - they'd soon learn. It's stating the obvious for those who are "obvious" disinclined (excuse the pun).
Dani's two yen and three rice grains on nonsensical unnecessary analysis. . .

Dani
'Dance like everybody's watching...'


astrid <astrid@RUBY.PLALA.OR.JP> wrote:
I will say something, even though I doubt it is any use explaining this (yet
again) on the list.
Derik, a woman's "lean" is only uncomfortable if the man does not lean back
(or actually, forward) against her, which needds to be done in order to
achieve an even contribution of weight, so that the axis can be shared 50-50
(there are some moves where the woman leans more against the man,but this is
more often part of "open embrace" and fantasia).

Astrid's two cents on shared axis