2631  Forever Tango

Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:18:15 -0300
From: Alberto Gesualdi <clambat2001@YAHOO.COM.AR>
Subject: Forever Tango

Dear friends from Tango List

The excellent comment from Carlos Lima about this new show of Forever Tango, may be linked to other postings concerning what happens with local people in Argentina and Tango dance.

There is a change going on with tango in Argentina ( I will not use the words argentine tango because they are narrow and selfish ) , and this show of Forever Tango reflects that some Tango dancers Master class , are not replaced for a new generation of dancers.

I have seen this generation of dancers here in Buenos Aires . I do not like the way of dancing they are showing , something lacks . Maybe the "pausa/break" that makes the tango dance so special . All those endless spinning around, so energetic but so light also.....

Well. I have been a bit rude with my comment with young dancers . On second thought , Geraldine and Javier dance in a way that shows why the hand of Maestro Copes is still alive .

Something is happening at the local milongas also, they are a bit different than the way they were a couple of years ago . This is not a sad comment, but a signal that people is changing , and also the milongas have not a steady and frequent local people , there are new people every evening or night , and the atmosphere changes, I think for good.

Also little by little there is a "gringo circuit" which I do not like , because prices for this circuit are set in strong currency basis, but the quality of the shows is not as good as an european tango show or an USA tango show.
They are not bad, but it is outrageous to charge a reservation U$S 50 and more, as Centro Piazzolla does, or Esquina Carlos Gardel . This is part of the "viveza criolla/ local cheating " , and the best that could happen is to have visitors alerted that they can go to good shows paying coins.

For instance, Pablo Ziegler and his trio played each saturdady of July , their music from "Bajo cero" CD and other music, as cheap as usd 5 per entrance, including a glass of something to drink.

Maybe this feeling that I have of tango changing, is related to the tango in Argentina that receives so many visitors, so enthusiastic as they are at the milongas , dancing until the last tune :):)

Be welcome dear tangueros/as from other countries , there is a positive good in receiving you and learning from you, and exchanging the ultimate truth , that no human being is superior to other .



Warm regards
Alberto Gesualdi
Buenos Aires





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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 23:57:47 -0800
From: Rick <pruneshrub04@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Forever Tango

Just got home from the touring "Forever Tango" show. Its here in
Portland, Or for a week. Superlative music & dancing, it was
great. I easily see a tanda of this music at dances all over the place.
Rick

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 10:25:38 -0600
From: Stephen Brown <Stephen.P.Brown@DAL.FRB.ORG>
Subject: Re: Forever Tango

Rick wrote:

>Just got home from the touring "Forever Tango" show. Its here in
>Portland, Or for a week. Superlative music & dancing, it was
>great. I easily see a tanda of this music at dances all over the place.

If only it were so. If you get the two CD soundtrackj of Forever Tango,
you will discover that most of the material has been recorded at a tempo
that is too fast for dancing at milongas. In talking to one of the
musicians, I learned that they recorded most tracks on the CDs at even a
faster tempo than they played for the performances. If you have the
proper equipment, you can slow the tempo down without altering the pitch.

With best regards,
Steve (de Tejas)

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:36:12 -0800
From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Forever Tango

Dear Steve, You are right. Wonderful music and dancing
from the show, Forever Tango. Sat at the table with
the three bandeon players at the cast party after the
show in New York. We all had a great time. Wonderful
guys. PS If stage tango dancers can dance to the
music, and have fun with it why cant we at least try?
Mixing it in ever so often as a challenge might help
us aspire to be better dancers. We can also watch
truly great dancers do their thing. Derik
--- TANGO-L@MITVMA.MIT.EDU
<Stephen.P.Brown@DAL.FRB.ORG> wrote:

> Rick wrote:
> >Just got home from the touring "Forever Tango"

show. Its here in

> >Portland, Or for a week. Superlative music &

dancing, it was

> >great. I easily see a tanda of this music at dances

all over the place.

>
> If only it were so. If you get the two CD

soundtrackj of Forever Tango,

> you will discover that most of the material has been

recorded at a tempo

> that is too fast for dancing at milongas. In

talking to one of the

> musicians, I learned that they recorded most tracks

on the CDs at even a

> faster tempo than they played for the performances.

If you have the

> proper equipment, you can slow the tempo down

without altering the pitch.

>
> With best regards,
> Steve (de Tejas)
>

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:36:14 -0600
From: Stephen Brown <Stephen.P.Brown@DAL.FRB.ORG>
Subject: Re: Forever Tango

Derik wrote:

>If stage tango dancers can dance to the music,
>and have fun with it why cant we at least try?

Of course we can try to dance to it the recordings from Forever Tango.
But when you find out that the music on the CDs was recorded at faster
tempos than the orchestra typically plays for the stage performances, you
realize that you won't be dancing to the same music as the stage dancers.

--Steve (de Tejas)

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:23:53 -0800
From: Derik Rawson <rawsonweb@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Forever Tango

Dear Steve, You are right. Understand what you are
saying. I did feel that show I recently saw in New
York was much slower and less energetic than the first
shows. Maybe I got used to the CD, or the show itself
has slowed down. By the way, there were four bandeon
players. I met three of them. Derik
--- Stephen.P.Brown@dal.frb.org
<Stephen.P.Brown@dal.frb.org> wrote:

> Derik wrote:
> >If stage tango dancers can dance to the music,
> >and have fun with it why cant we at least try?
>
> Of course we can try to dance to it the recordings

from Forever Tango.

> But when you find out that the music on the CDs was

recorded at faster

> tempos than the orchestra typically plays for the

stage performances, you

> realize that you won't be dancing to the same music

as the stage dancers.

>
> --Steve (de Tejas)
>
>

Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 12:30:47 -0800
From: Rick <pruneshrub04@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: Forever Tango

Last night, I'm pretty sure there was 3 bandoneons, 3 violions,
1 cello, 1 bass, 1 piano & 1 organ?. Great singer(s) too. Wow,
what a treat to hear music sound this good. Now if someone could
just solve the complex math problem to make the GA music
sound like this! ;o)
Rick

Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 00:25:59 -0300
From: Stella Jacoby <stellasutil@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Jorge Torres , Captain of the Forever Tango troupe in Montreal to teach

Hello People,
Jorge Torres, captain of the Forever Tango show will be teaching in Montreal
from May 26 to June 5 with Mylene Pelletier at Mocha Danse. An opportunity
of a lifetime. For further information check ou the website:
www.airdetango.com
or call
1-514-278-8781

Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:40:02 -0600
From: "Cammie " <milonguera@comcast.net>
Subject: [Tango-L] Forever Tango DVD Reviews?

Has anyone seen the new DVD of Forever Tango: Forever Tango with Luis Bravo
Live from Teatro Coliseo Podesta?

I have seen two previous productions on VHS, one filmed in Mexico and one in
Japan, but the lighting quality was very poor (very dark) on one and poor on
the other. Does anyone know if the DVD is better?

Thanks, Cammie.